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Improved CWE Codeine Extraction

by kramorph
Whilst messing around with codeine paracetamol tablets I tried the following: Added 96 10mg codeine 500mg+ rubbish tablets to 200ml cold tap water and left for 10mins or so to dissolve CP. I then decided to warm the solution before filtering. So I heated the solution in a hot water bath to about 45 or 50 deg.C. I then filtered the solution and it filtered in a fraction of the time it usually does with cold water. This gives a clear solution and without vacuum filtration you only lose about 5ml instead of 1/3 filtering cold solution. This is then placed in the freezer until it almost freezes, by which time almost all of the paracetamol dissolved, crystalizes out in lovely large needle shaped crystals. This near frozen solution is then filtered, which is also fast as paracetamol crystals are now large. This solution is now safe to drink containing approx. 5mg/ml,codeine phosphate or you can extract the codeine base and convert etc. see other threads.I found with the cold extraction and cold filtration method clogged up filters as the paracetamol was so powdery this method seems to work better and the final product was stronger than anything Ive had previously keeping everything cold?? But dont go over 60deg.C as CP apparently degrades then! :D

  • Whilst messing around with codeine paracetamol tablets I tried the following: Added 96 10mg codeine 500mg+ rubbish tablets to 200ml cold tap water and left for 10mins or so to dissolve CP. I then decided to warm the solution before filtering. So I heated the solution in a hot water bath to about 45 or 50 deg.C. I then filtered the solution and it filtered in a fraction of the time it usually does with cold water. This gives a clear solution and without vacuum filtration you only lose about 5ml instead of 1/3 filtering cold solution. This is then placed in the freezer until it almost freezes, by which time almost all of the paracetamol dissolved, crystalizes out in lovely large needle shaped crystals. This near frozen solution is then filtered, which is also fast as paracetamol crystals are now large. This solution is now safe to drink containing approx. 5mg/ml,codeine phosphate or you can extract the codeine base and convert etc. see other threads.I found with the cold extraction and cold filtration method clogged up filters as the paracetamol was so powdery this method seems to work better and the final product was stronger than anything Ive had previously keeping everything cold?? But dont go over 60deg.C as CP apparently degrades then! :D


    I very much like the sound of this and am going to try it at the first available opportunity. I am disillusioned at the yield from normal CWE - not just the poor yield but the apparent inconsistency of results too. So disappointed, in fact, that I've pretty well given up. Until now, that is.
    Thanks,

    Diesel
    - doctor diesel, 9 years ago
  • This is, indeed, an improvement on the old method... and kramorph, it's posts like yours that are what opiophile is all about.

    The codeine extractors of the world say "thanks"... I don't currently mess with this sort of thing (because of the bad results with the standard method), but I'll be putting this away for future reference!
    - Peripat, 9 years ago
  • This is how I pretty much do mine. Except I don't use cold water first, nor do I ever use boiling water (nor does this one but it's something that needs to be pointed out, don't use boiling water). My method (depending on number of pills, I use 20ml hot + 20ml cold for every 20 tablets 40ml hot + 40ml cold for 30-40 tablets.). Read on and you'll see why I use +20ml cold, etc.
    My last extraction I used 30 pills (which I had left from a 100 pill bottle of 8mg Codeine + 500mg Ace/Para).

    I put 40 ml of hot tap water in a small plastic cup along with 30 tablets to disolve. I left them for a bit and then stirred with a fork. When there was no tablet chunks and everything was a white water paste like substance I put the solution in the freezer for about 15-20minutes. I also put in 40 ml of cold tap water by itself in the freezer. While this was happening I got a cup (helps if you can see through it a bit) which is long and narrow (but still holds about 250-330ml) I put a coffee filter about half way in so that I could also keep it in place with rubber bands. After 15-20 minutes was up (doesn't really matter if solution freezes too much) I put the solution into the filter setup. I then got my 40ml of straigh cold water I put in the freezer into the cup that container the solution and swirled it around so it got every last bit and then put this in the filter aswell. I then put the filtering solution somewhere for about 1 hr (at the minimum or until all the water has been filtered, 2-3 hours may be better). Make sure it's somewhere where it isn't going to be knocked over and make sure the coffee filter isn't going to fall in. After about an hour I have a look and you shouldn't see any liquid on top at all but a white (or whatever the colour of your tablets were) solution that is a solid paste like sludge. Underneath should be a clear solution. I sometimes squeeze the filter (without breaking it if possible) to get as much of the remaining liquid out as possible, sure abit of ace/para will come through and the solution will go a bit cloudy but the amount of ace/para will be small compared to what's in the white sludge. You can either drink this right now or wait a bit till later (read on to find out why it might be better to wait).

    If you can't wait to drink it this is how I drink it:
    To drink I put in about the same amount as the filtered solution with grapefruit juice and top it up with soda water. The soda water helps to make it absorb faster in your system and the grapefruit juice helps with codeine potentiation to morphine. It may taste a little bitter but not as bad as drinking it on it's own. Orange juice and soda would also work but will not potentiate the codeine.

    If you are worried that you didn't get all the codeine out the solution what I sometimes do is re-do the extaction. I get all the solid white sludge and put it in the same solution cup I used before and mix it with 40ml hot tap water, mix it up and put the solution and another 40ml cold water and repeat the process.

    I guess you could do it as many times as you like ;-). Weather you get more codeine or at least a little out of each extraction or if it even is worth it is beyond me but you could add the liquid of the first extraction and subsequent extractions all together to get the maximum amount of extracted codeine. 80ml per extraction isn't alot of liquid to down compared to poppy seed tea.

    96 x 10mg is alot of codeine!
    - JoyDivision, 9 years ago
  • My intention is to further process the codeine, when I finally get my hands on some pyridine,then I'll probably use 4 or 5 packs.96 is the largest amount avail only 10bucks and contain almost a gram of codeine.I personally have never had more than about 400mg of CP in one hit.Only do it these days when craving for H and 'done not enough.
    - kramorph, 9 years ago
  • 96 x 10mg is that Chemist's Own or something, you're in Oz right?
    Are pharms available at all on the street? Or just Weed, Smack, Speed, Meth & E's? They seem to be the most common while stuff like trips & hash are more rare.

    Would be nice to get some real opium ;-).

    How the hell you going to get your hands on Codeine to Morphine chemicals i.e. Chloroform, pyridine, etc? Don't think you could go into your local mitre 10 and get Chloroform.
    If you could I'd probably bypass the whole process by just chloroforming myself ;-).
    - JoyDivision, 9 years ago
  • There are simple ways to make your own chloroform with various ready available chems including acetone and i forget the other one - ice too.

    Someone on here had an amazing diy link on making chloroform
    - Va_va, 9 years ago
  • Methylene chloride (dichloromethane) is available from most chem suppliers, my imaginary friend has acetic anhydride, NaOH is next to the draino in coles, HCl at any hardware store. That leaves only the pyridine or BBr3.Pyridine is available for about $100 Oz for 500mL, but a police clearance, end user declaration and 100 points of Id.Dichloromethane can be used in place of chloroform or you can make your own chloroform, but if ya can buy DCM(CH2Cl2) no q's asked why bother making CHCl3. I would think that BBr3 is hard to get as boron compounds are usually very toxic. All my imaginary freind needs is someone without a record to buy some pyridine or wait until it appears at uni, and borrow some!.
    - kramorph, 9 years ago
  • No I dont know about pharm's on the street, I have only bought the finished product. occasionally you might hear of morphine tabs or benzos on street but pretty rare I think, but I'm not heavily into much anymore just now and again and its always from the same source
    - kramorph, 9 years ago
  • this post is purely to encourage safety, not to encourage in ANY WAY that anyone does this.

    SWIM has been getting increasing health problems as a result of CWE, some observations that might slip out of some people's minds on this.

    1) Long term, ASA+Codeine is far less lethal. This being said, it also causes long term acidic problems and can cause concretions if combined with NAC (something anyone who takes ACE tablets, percocet or any derived acet product.) ... Also, any time you have sustained abnormal acidity or waves of acid / alkaline urine, the acet AND the asa can build up in the bladder, kidneys and basically anywhere else in the digestive tract. Also, ASA causes long term salicylate complications which are well documented online.

    2) The caffeine increases bile production in high doses. Most of the long term users I know are in the 200-600mg a day range, you are getting at least half that of caffeine, and as much as twice that. The increased bile can cause non-chronic stones and various other issues to happen as well as affecting long term peristalic ability. This is why codeine becomes less constpating for a period, but if taking from CWE sources has a rebound where it gets much, much worse.

    3) The critical science behind making the CWE work is actually crystallography, people seem to not understand the fundamental of this and end up either rushing or making major mistakes. SWIM has been to the ER several times because SWIM consumed a solution which although clear contained massive amounts of caffeine. Puking for days is not fun, especially if your nervous system is overloading as well. Keep in mind that caffeine is a neurotoxin developed by the coffee plant to kill bugs. Guess how it kills them?

    sub-observations:

    a) The stock needs to be heated, if you used a sealed container, the c sublimiates into the bag / bottle and after it goes below 80o you can get it to reabsorb by shaking it. Use hot water. You should filter it at 79oC but when you do so, use something you can squeeze. This needs to now be heated up such that it loses at least 2-5% of its volume. THIS IS CRITICAL. This is what starts an aggressive crystallization process of the ASA.

    b) You need to let it change temperature SLOWLY, and when it changes temperature it needs to sit AT THAT TEMPERATURE (should be around 5o) without changes or significant vibration. This is the single most important part of the process, not the change in temperature. Doing this twice - first, with the primary filtrate and let it go from hot+reduced to room temperature - then you will see it settle, filter it out. Then take this and reduce it another 2% or so, then cool it to the lowest temperature you can. Putting something to absorb the vibration of the fridge under the container and COVERING IT will help greatly at this point.

    c) You should get a thick very hard to remove crust at the bottom at this point, if you reduced properly it should have a slightly purple tone and icicle like shit starting to form. The iciles are ASA and the gunk at the bottom is a mixture of suspended filler material and the various ingredients. YOU DONT WANT BINDER IN YOUR BODY, ESPECIALLY YOUR URINARY TRACT.

    d) This should be obvious, but you need at least two filter papers and you need to MAKE THEM WET. Only squeeze the first filtration and thats best done using cloth than paper.

    4) Experiments with charcoal indicate it just weakens the solution, it doesn't actually reduce the codeine at a rate different than normal filter paper.

    SWIM is of the wisdom that all washes should be added together before final processing and you need to be absolutely consistient with each step.

    4) DO NOT DO THIS. PERIOD. If you are taking opiates all the time and are not a terminal patient, you have a problem. You are killing yourself with shit drugs and you need to look into this. If you are terminal you legally should be able to get appropriate pain control. Codeine is a very bad drug to take long term and no human being is strong enough to be on any kind of opiate on their own management long term. Thats stupid, its deluding yourself and you WILL end up having problems if you try to play god with your own care. Most of SWIM's opiate using buddies ended up going from minor or no pain situations to serious, serious pain and disability because they did not listen to good advice.

    I am only posting this because i've started to realize how many idiots read stuff on the internet and end up in serious trouble and learning very little from it. People who are reckless and have no formal training may be able to achieve great things but seem to never have an understanding of the breadth of the harm they are doing.

    Be aware of the case studies of long term exposure to caffeine, acet or tylenol. The opiate is not particularly lethal, but the others are. The good thing is because enough people compulsively take those OTC substances there is a wealth of online knowledge as to what happens when you take them forever.

    Be safe, learn to love your life and body and not abuse the one thing thats really yours.
    - ragemaxis, 5 years ago
  • after a year or more of doing simple CWE extractions on aspirin and codeine pills with caffeine....I am glad I quit.
    I didnt really have much problem with the combo...
    and I would also take poppy seed tea alongside this regimine so I didnt always have to ingest the caffeine.

    I am a daily caffeine consumer though...so I just quit my consumption of tea or coffee during this time.

    I found tramadol to be a beneficial substance alongside this regimine....but only for my own type of desperate maintenance program..

    the addition of taking DXM for tolerance issues helped tremendously for a few months.
    till the DXM ingestion took on a life of its own.

    this upgraded extraction technique is a nice one, thanks for posting.

    I agree that taking pills like this on a consistent basis is not the most healthy move...
    but...
    I felt ALOT better taking moderate to low doses of codeine and tramadol than I did taking methadone maintenance.

    the key for me, was the opium alkaloid blend in seeds or pods.

    I live in a state without methadone maintenance anyway.....and buprenorphine was over 500$ a month alone, plus more for Dr visits.

    I can see how people that live in countries where these codeine pills are OTC might have some problems with controlling their intake.
    I was lucky for myself, that I am sensitive to codeine, and dont need too much more codeine than morphine to get a nice effect.
    there are some aspects of the codeine high that I find to be one of the best opiates I have taken.
    when taking the codeine pills alongside the poppy habit was where I was able to really benefit though. with the seeds came satisfaction that allowed me to keep my dose from increasing. something about the blend of opium alkaloids and my tolerance peaking out happened.

    finally US customs started sending me messages that I needed to quit ordering pills from Canada.
    oh well...
    so I threw in the towel.
    the strange thing was, that even though customs claimed to have siezed the pills...they always came anyway, and the other funny thing was, that he customs forms were filled out wrong, they listed the wrong pills, the wrong product, the wrong wieght...and, the form was a bit illegible, and had a few mistakes that I considered probably made the whole siezure forfiet....as the paper listed a product different than from what I was really having shipped in.
    the company had a website...but had about 20 different people that shipped for them.
    everytime the package would come from a different address....they started flat packing the pills in bubble wrap packaging.

    I am glad I got off the codeine pills though...I like tea too much to replace my caffeine intake that normally comes from tea, with codeine/caffeine tinctures....
    - jacky, 5 years ago
  • Wow, this thread spans FOUR YEARS.

    Cool.


    Doc.
    - doctor diesel, 5 years ago

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